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Nutrition: Vitamin K and Phosphorus


blood clotting
bone metabolism
K1 = phylloquinone, made by plants, what we get in our diet
K2 = menaquinones, several forms, MK-n where n = number of side chains
K2 produced by bacteria of by converting K1 in animals
Japanese fermented foods contain natto and miso: high in K2
MK-4 is osteoporosis tx in Asia, this is a side chain 4 units long
natto has MK-7
MK-4 best of osteoporosis, boosts bone mass, this is available on the market
body is good at recycling vitamin K
acute deficiency is rare

gamma carboxylation is the only thing that vitamin K does
that enzyme essential for making several clotting factors incl prothrombin
exploited by anticoag drugs incl warfarin which impair recycling of vit K
bone mineralization: synthesis of three bone proteins incl: osteocalcin
bone protein also found in blood vessels: matrix-Gla protein prevents calcification of BV's

impaired blood clotting, easy bruising, nosebleed, bleeding gums
unusual: K is widespread, K is recycled well; gut bact make K
adults on anticoagulants at risk
newborns at risk

adult adequate intake: 120 mcg/day men, 90 mcg/day women
75% may miss these targets
these numbers not based on long term bone health
some studies suggest increased protection at 250 mcg/day or more
LPI: use multi and leafy greens
use w/ care if using anticoagulants

high chlorophyll plants
green leafies
non-hydrogenated vegetable oil
p 5 of notes
intestinal bacteria (minor source)
supplements (not always in multis)
lots in bone support multis
K2 has become available, very expensive
Thorne brand liquid product is his fave but not cheap

under-carboxylated osteocalcin in blood and low dietary vit K correlate with fracture risk
1000 mcg/day reduces under-carbox osteocalcin, improved bone density in some studies
no studies yet on fracture prevention
Pharmaceutical doses of K2 (MK-4) is 45,000 mcg/day (45 mg)
Japanese research finds dramatic reduction in fx risk with this huge dose

not a nutrient of concern because it is readily available
unless maybe too much relative to Ca++
present in food and bio tissues as phosphate (PO4 -3)
in phospholipids, high energy phosphates (ATP), nucleic acids
functional roles: acid-base buffer, cofactor for phosphorylation rxns
easily absorbed in intestine, easily exreted by kidneys
affected by PTH and vit D but not as tightly regulated as calcium
concern exists that too much might cause bone loss
esp in women and children who consume too little calcium
RDA = 700 mg/day
adult average intake over 1000 mg/day
food additives: cola (phosphoric acid), preservatives (in bread)
abundant in protein foods
some plant sources may be poorly absorbed
usually omitted from supplements unless with calcium (calcium phosphate)
some say avoid phosphate containing supps
hyperphosphatemia found only with kidney or parathyroid dysfunction
UL = 4000 mg/day under 70 years of age, 3000 over 70
some older women have low phosphate intake, they're the only ones approaching deficiency


( 6 comments — Leave a comment )
May. 20th, 2009 10:43 pm (UTC)
I stumbled into the possibility of using vitamin K instead of going for what the doctor has been pushing, which is Boniva. The article I read indicated that taking calcium wouldn't stop osteoporosis but taking Vitamin K would. But I haven't a clue how much to take, etc. or whether it will be effective or not effective or harmful.
May. 21st, 2009 05:07 am (UTC)
Well there are tidbits in these notes to help you answer those questions. There are notes from Dr. Gerber's lecture, and he bases his lectures on LPI, Willet's book Eat, Drink and Be Healthy, and on his Harvard education. I mostly trust but do recommend that you dig up the research yourself if you plan to take action with supplementation!

So far is sounds to me as if vit K and vit D are absolutely key for bone building, and I would probably do both. Bedtime calcium doses and small midday doses would be good too.

Do you have the start of a plan yet?
May. 21st, 2009 02:21 pm (UTC)
I had posted about this, oh 6 months ago, about being uneasy with using Boniva. I still am that way although the overwhelming sentiment I got was to trust the doctor. Hmm. I WORK with doctors all day and I'm not sure trust is the way to go. And I don't like what I see as the side effects of Boniva or like groups.

I was thinking of seeing if there were multi-vitamins that included Vitamin K in them and continuing to take the calcium, although I see you saying the calcium at night instead of during the day. Is there a reason for this?
May. 21st, 2009 08:43 pm (UTC)
There's a study demonstrating that large doses of calcium at bedtime do the most to decrease night time bone loss in post-menopausal women. It turns out that most bone loss happens at night. It has also been demonstrated that multiple small doses are better absorbed than single large doses. Another strategy for protecting bone is to minimize your dietary sodium and meat.

Not many multi's have K in them, but you can buy the liquid vit K drops. They're pricey but are absorbed well.

Don't discount the value of vitamin D optimization for bone health. It seems to be the bit that has been missing from therapeutic bone building plans for the last 50 years.

I don't know about Boniva. What is it?

I understand about not trusting docs.... I have a lot of faith in the good intentions of most, but the knowledge and willingness to self educate can fall behind.... so it becomes the responsibility of each person to become an expert in their own condition..
May. 21st, 2009 10:50 pm (UTC)
Boniva is a bisphosphonate, which worries me. So if I can do something besides take this, I'll be happy.
May. 22nd, 2009 02:36 am (UTC)
=-] You can certainly do other things besides that med. You can inform yourself and try things. If there is a naturopath in your area, this is an area of strength in our training. One thing I can say is that you might want to get a new bone density scan before switching treatments! That way you'll have a better idea what works for you. Good luck!
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