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rinku
Aug. 18th, 2008 09:00 pm (UTC)
???

When I posted it in support of the idea that the world isn't going to collapse you seemed not to like it. :D
liveonearth
Aug. 18th, 2008 09:03 pm (UTC)
I didn't view it then. Today is the first time I actually followed that link. Sorry! I haven't seen a thing from TED yet that wasn't stimulating and right ON.
rinku
Aug. 18th, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
Hmph, if you didn't view it you shouldn't have said "I really enjoy following the links you post (though these two Ted links didn't show me much)" -- that implied you watched them but didn't get much out of them. :p
liveonearth
Aug. 18th, 2008 09:10 pm (UTC)
Maybe I opened it and didn't hear it...sometimes life distracts and I do not get all I can out of something even though it is playing....so call me a bad girl if you want. I GOT IT this time, and thank you for the link, belatedly.
rinku
Aug. 18th, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC)
Oh, I already know you're a bad girl from that morality meme you posted a while ago where you got something like 27% or whatever number :D

(As an aside, there were two links -- he did one and did another one about a year later, where he also swallowed a sword at the end, amazingly.)

I wasn't bothered that much that you didn't agree (although slightly that you disagreed with a character attack rather than disputing any of the points), I'm patient and understand that it's hard to predict the future, so let's just re-read my entry on it in 20 years or so (if we're still on LJ) and see which of us came closer.
liveonearth
Aug. 18th, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC)
Can you quote for me what it is that I said that you took as a character attack? I'd appreciate that. What I remember about that exchange is that I was busy in school and you went pretty big in your proof that the world is just FINE and getting better.

Mulling it over having actually viewed this video, I'd say that Hans' insights don't prove your assertion that things will continue to improve because past trends are a poor indicator of future trends. I agree that in 20 years or so maybe we can get an update on some of these stats and see...
rinku
Aug. 18th, 2008 10:01 pm (UTC)
Okay -- quotes: "common sense takes experience and a broad understanding that takes time to build. Keep after it." -- "Your understanding is not broad, and so you lack the perspective that leads to that uncommon capacity called "common sense". But you are young and you are talking to weirdos like me who think differently, so your perspective is broadening by the minute."

I realize that's not exactly a character attack in the nasty sense, but it's still basically saying I'm wrong because of who I am rather than addressing what I said. Besides, I'm not *that* young compared to you (I'll be 30 next month -- maybe I just look younger than my age in my photos?)

I didn't intend them as proof. The future isn't something that can be proven, and the entry wasn't about proof, it was about educated guessing, and that we should expect the positive trends of human history (overall) to continue. I don't understand your position that past trends are a poor indicator of future trends. We can only know reality through experience (your "character attacks" as I called them even talk about the lack of experience I have), and if experience helps one make good judgments, isn't that exactly because the past is usually useful in predicting the future? Experience wouldn't be valuable if past events and experiences were useless in predicting future events and experiences.
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